Sorry, folks. This cartoon is right on. One of Fish’s best. And if you don’t your it, then it’s time to deal with your own hypocrisy. Big Boobs or black burkas, it’s all the same subjugation. One western, one eastern.
Mr. Fish,
re: pcdc. I think it was a dig at your age. Either that or her/his view of sexual morality is open access to female sexuality (willingly or unwillingly) 24/7, like the so-called ‘sexual liberation’ of the 70’s. Sexual liberty meant more porn, more strip clubs, with more degrading language used to describe the women depicted. Meanwhile, we still live in a patriarchal society where some women feel the need to do sex work to earn a decent income. The majority of women (and men) in the sex biz do so for the money, not because they love it. So then we enter a binary, ‘if you are not for porn, then you are into the burka’. I am skeptical of binarisms. What I am into is choice, if a woman (or man) wants to enter porn or a burka with no compulsion (due to economic or brute force reasons) and a 100% free choice–then whatever. None of my damn business. The attorney general commission report on pornography, (though dated) is a good read, as is ‘Pornography and the Sex Crisis’ and subsequent ‘Power Surge’ by Susan G. Cole are both illuminating works. Heck, I agree with most of the SCUM Manifesto by Varlerie Solanas. Said writers indicate that free choices are not as available as some would have you believe.Though youth today feel they need to emulate porn stars, as it is now ‘the mainstream’ and accessible at a click, whatever your age. It’s like Camus said, now is the time to choose between hell and reason.
Butch In Waukegan
Antiquated sexual morality (odd word choice), as opposed to the up-to-date, trendy, sexual mores exhibited at Huffington Post?
The figure on the left looks like she would fit in there.
pcdc
mmm, i think this one reveals the antiquated sexual morality of the (otherwise perfect) artist.
How, exactly? Curious about how you’re (mis)reading the cartoon?
pcdc
i was ribbing you on my assumption that you are mocking this “western” skimpy dressed woman for debasing herself while ironically criticizing her friend for doing the same.
what i take issue with is that it seems you are saying that this woman, who is freely making a choice to wear revealing clothes is “dehumanizing” herself, and SHE is the one encouraging the patriarch to see her as the lesser sex. i think that scapegoats the patriarch, it seems like a rationalization of sexism, that is not squarely placed in the hands of the men who call women like that sluts, and see them as deserving of assault because they were asking for it.
Not entirely, no – you got the general notion of the gag line right, but I think you’re over-interpreting the trajectory of the joke and making it a little too literal. I do indeed see the over-sexualization of our Western culture as being much more detrimental to women than men, yes. Not sure that’s debatable, not between us, anyway. However, the cartoon – because the issue deserves deeper contemplation – does not lay exclusive blame with either sex for the perpetuation of the prejudice inferred. Likewise, I see the morbid desexualization of women in cultures that insist that they be covered decidedly dehumanizing as well. What strikes me as being a bit disingenuous is when one society marred by its own brand of sexism criticizes another that is marred by its own unique brand, even if the degrees of overt violence may be vastly different between the two.
Sorry, folks. This cartoon is right on. One of Fish’s best. And if you don’t your it, then it’s time to deal with your own hypocrisy. Big Boobs or black burkas, it’s all the same subjugation. One western, one eastern.
Finally — a Mr. Fish cartoon I dislike.
Mr. Fish,
re: pcdc. I think it was a dig at your age. Either that or her/his view of sexual morality is open access to female sexuality (willingly or unwillingly) 24/7, like the so-called ‘sexual liberation’ of the 70’s. Sexual liberty meant more porn, more strip clubs, with more degrading language used to describe the women depicted. Meanwhile, we still live in a patriarchal society where some women feel the need to do sex work to earn a decent income. The majority of women (and men) in the sex biz do so for the money, not because they love it. So then we enter a binary, ‘if you are not for porn, then you are into the burka’. I am skeptical of binarisms. What I am into is choice, if a woman (or man) wants to enter porn or a burka with no compulsion (due to economic or brute force reasons) and a 100% free choice–then whatever. None of my damn business. The attorney general commission report on pornography, (though dated) is a good read, as is ‘Pornography and the Sex Crisis’ and subsequent ‘Power Surge’ by Susan G. Cole are both illuminating works. Heck, I agree with most of the SCUM Manifesto by Varlerie Solanas. Said writers indicate that free choices are not as available as some would have you believe.Though youth today feel they need to emulate porn stars, as it is now ‘the mainstream’ and accessible at a click, whatever your age. It’s like Camus said, now is the time to choose between hell and reason.
Antiquated sexual morality (odd word choice), as opposed to the up-to-date, trendy, sexual mores exhibited at Huffington Post?
The figure on the left looks like she would fit in there.
mmm, i think this one reveals the antiquated sexual morality of the (otherwise perfect) artist.
How, exactly? Curious about how you’re (mis)reading the cartoon?
i was ribbing you on my assumption that you are mocking this “western” skimpy dressed woman for debasing herself while ironically criticizing her friend for doing the same.
what i take issue with is that it seems you are saying that this woman, who is freely making a choice to wear revealing clothes is “dehumanizing” herself, and SHE is the one encouraging the patriarch to see her as the lesser sex. i think that scapegoats the patriarch, it seems like a rationalization of sexism, that is not squarely placed in the hands of the men who call women like that sluts, and see them as deserving of assault because they were asking for it.
am i misreading it entirely, mr.?
Not entirely, no – you got the general notion of the gag line right, but I think you’re over-interpreting the trajectory of the joke and making it a little too literal. I do indeed see the over-sexualization of our Western culture as being much more detrimental to women than men, yes. Not sure that’s debatable, not between us, anyway. However, the cartoon – because the issue deserves deeper contemplation – does not lay exclusive blame with either sex for the perpetuation of the prejudice inferred. Likewise, I see the morbid desexualization of women in cultures that insist that they be covered decidedly dehumanizing as well. What strikes me as being a bit disingenuous is when one society marred by its own brand of sexism criticizes another that is marred by its own unique brand, even if the degrees of overt violence may be vastly different between the two.